I don't like that stuff, for reasons stated previously. I've never had fully curred Tamiya paint come off the surface with a masking material of any kind. Kev As Malcolm says, X20A to thin so you're good to go. I lay down a coat of acrylic Vallejo Satin Varnish and never had a problem with Tamiya panel liner removing underlying acrylic base. careful when removing the masking tape. "The farther back you look, the farther forward you are likely to see." I've found that Tamiya panel liner is a bit hot. I can personally attest to having problems brush painting the Tamiya Acrylics, however they work beautifully when airbrushed. Itâs a British paints clear coat paint and prime satin finish. No matter how careful I am when applying it, it does not just stay in the panel lines, as it should. If it's some kind of spray can, you might want to wait longer though, as spray cans mist a lot more paint onto the model and usually take longer to fully cure. If I have painted with Acrylics I wash & detail with a solvent-based product (oils thinned with Turpenoid). I had researched this well, watching several videos before giving it a go. To participate you must either login or register for an account. They stay on after you do your lines and then clearcoat them .Then Topcoat . So I have come to the point where I'm satisfied with the top of the fuselage, now it's time for the belly of the aircraft. Let the Gloss coat dry for at least 24 hours (i let it dry for 2 days minimum), 4. Thanks everyone for the feedback. I was planning on using 3mm Tamiya masking take to make sure the line along the bottom is as straight as can be. Candy Enamel top coats: Some people say a minimum of 2 days, other say a couple hours â¦ A Little Bling. Anyone have any horror stories? What happens is the problem you describe...where the paints dry at different rates (this happens more with enamel i belive as lacquers have a little faster drying time) OR crazing happens because the lacquer/enamel paint does not fully gas out. The enamel thinner will immediatly disolve the Metalizer paint. Our community is FREE to join. Use Testors Clear Dullcoat. ... Spray the second colour in the same way as the first: light coat, drying time, heavy coat, drying time. My rule of thumb is to always mix my media. I have found that using drafting ink in Dk.Grey and Black work well . between colors, just to "seal the deal" if you know what I mean. Let the Gloss coat dry for at least 24 hours (i let it dry for 2 days minimum) 4. Read the fine print on the side panel of the label: "Danger, EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE liquid and vapor, Contents Ethyl Benzene, Xylene, Mineral Spirit, and Pigment.". Enamel thinner should not damage a lacquer paint, UNLESS you use enamel thinner over Testors' lacquer Metalizer Paints. Each contains 100ml of paint, which is enough to fully cover 2 or 3, 1/24 scale sized car bodies. Particulary as enamels are harder to find. Even with the Airscale decals, the P-51B cockpit is a little bit on the spartan side. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois. My last build was painted with Tamyia lacquer Italian Red and over coated with Testors' flat lacquer. I guess in the future I'll always prime with acrylics. Your paint job is screwed. I just tried using Tamiya Clear Acrylic as my gloss coat. If I am painting with enamels with a lacquer (Gloss Coat) sealer, I will wash & detail with a water or alcohol-based material (water paint or ink). Tamiya âPCâ paints. I have had no problem with Tamiya bonding to unprimed plastic, provided the plastic was CLEAN, and the paint was THOROUGHLY cured. Dry time 15-30 minutes. Theoretically itâs quite possible to get 4 coats of paint on in one day â but only if the weather is on your side. Thanks for the advice everyone. Tamiya panel line is a strong solvent-based product. It's a shame your paint job did not turn out, but it's definitely a learning experience and there is always a second time! I've had thick coats of Halfords paint take several weeks to cure hard enough to be immune to fingerprints in winter. I can feel your pain. 3.4oz (100ml) can of Tamiya Color Spray Lacquer for Plastic Models (TS-80 Gloss Clear) For Adult Modelers Only. Our community is FREE to join. Though it will thin Tamiya paint, never use water as a thinner. I have used the Mr. Color clears over MM enamel, Tamiya acrylics, and Vallejo acrylics without a problem. For enamel, I use the "sniff" test to make sure the piece is completely dry. I think most people have problems brushing the paint, not spraying. I use an acrylic like Future or Aqua Gloss as a barrier coat. Instead use a water/acrylic based barrier coat, such as Future or Pledge w/ Future. Should I be nervous, however, to do extensive masking on them even if they've cured a few days and if they're on a primed surface? Make sure that when doing clean up, you just get the cotton bud DAMP. Yea it could deffiantly be the thinner, I know it claims water wash up but I've tried with brushes just washing with soap and water and it never works. If so- how would you advise their use? The paint is a synthetic lacquer that cures in a short period of time. Acrylics cure from the outside in, like most paints, and For Tamiya panel liner I found just a dry q tip will take the excess off fine. After a day or two drying time, I rub it out the X-22 with 1,500 then 4,000 foam pads for a smooth decaling surface. I've used no primer, I'll be using Tamiya's tape too, and I know this paint dries fast but I think it may take a while to cure fully so that it can handle being masked over. He liked the semigloss cause it gave enough bite for the solvent type filters and artist oil paints but could easily be cleaned up. Itâs 27â Celsius and sunny in Melbourne today so the acrylic coats are touch dry in 10 mins. It always slops over, leaving a big cleanup job, and I end up with an "overweathered" model that just looks dirty all over. I made a similar mistake on a Mk.IV a few months ago with Tamiya panel wash. High humidity slows drying, high temperature speeds it. Avoid using in excessively damp or humid conditions.Finger marks on the bare plastic will appear in the final finish. Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!! Unlike enamel I have used Tamiya Panel Line directly over Vallejo with no ill affects with the exception of some shadowing where the liner pigment gets trapped among the paint pigments. The Tamiya product is actually a thin ink. Adhesion is indifferent in my experience, and they need several coats at angles to each other. You may have to put the weathering on a little thick or use multiple applications as a clear coat may fade the weathering. In my experience airbrushing it, it dries to the touch within a few minutes, and at about 30 minutes to an hour you can easily apply decals. Computer, did we bring batteries?.....Computer? It sounds like you may have learned a lot along the way and your next kit will be even better. What have I done wrong? We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. I think I've managed to wreck one of the finest builds I've ever done!I coated my FW190 in Testors gloss coat, let it dry, and applied Tamiya Panel Line Accent. Strip and start over. I’m sorry that it happened but you’re not alone we’ve all learned from our mistakes. And will an enamel clear coat be fine over acrylic?? As a matter of fact, one of the model shows I attended had a weathering class where the instructor used Tamiya clear semigloss as a barrier over Alclad metallic paint he was weathering. I'm hoping I continue to be lucky. Don't soak it and than try to clean up with it that wet. We have to develop new rules of thumb. As an aside, my frustrations with finding a good and consistent gloss coat have inspired me to pit pretty much all the ones I can find against each other, head to head. Allow to cure for 1 hour before coating with Alclad Candy Enamels. When using Tamiya Clear Flat (matt varnish, NOT Flat Base), what is the best thinning ratio for spraying, and what's the prefered thinner ? ... X-22 is not designed to be used as clear coat â¦ Apply 1 medium coat at 20-30PSI to clean bare plastic. Hey folks - I've recently discovered the joy of working with Tamiya's acrylics in the AB. Faster drying time, better levelling, better atomisation, smoother, glossier finish. Back to the D.520â¦after being burned way too many times, I refused to trust the Tamiya decals, so I picked up a sheet from Berna Decals. actually before clear coating with most clear coat paints you should wait a month or more...more with lacquers and enamels. So there is something in there that is a bit too strong for some applications. Even when sprayed indoors. To be on the safe side I never use a solvent type wash over a solvent type topcoat. As a general rule, always prime. Will digest and tread carefully through this minefield. Tamiya Panel Line Accent - 1st time problems. 3. But as I said, I do use a tack cloth afterwards. or laquer, acrylics do not adhere well to bare plastic so be very, very To participate you must either login or register for an account. If you are of a mind to try it, Tamiya lacquer thinner will deliver even better results than X-20A, as it extends the drying time a little more and gives the paint more time to level. Thanks again. least 24 hours to cure (48 would be better, and more even I've done this as well. In fact, I keep many solvents in small, plastic dropper bottles--everything from Humbrol thinners to lacquer thinner. My question is, how long do I really need to let the base coat dry for before applying pledge? time. It is even a nice top coat for decals over â¦ Not sure what rubbing alchol would do to a clear coat, but thats what I use to clean all my brushes after using Tamiya paints, works like a charm. Much better performance than with X-20A in my opinion. Give it at Concur with rlhart13. With very light dust coats, the solvent wont stay liquid long enough to attack them. Dip the cotton bud into the turpentine, Roll it on paper towel until ALMOST dry than clean up. I guess some folks have problems with them but I have had none so far (knock wood). I waited a few minutes for it to dry, then use Humbrol enamel thinner on a cotton bud to clean up. Humbrol enamel thinners are quite potent in terms of dissolving power. Personally I'd be very reluctant to mask unprimed acrylic at any Leave adequate drying time between coats. Drying time depends on temperature and relative humidity. It will slow the drying time and allow the gloss coat to settle even more. Cool temperatures generally slow curing, warmer temperatures speed it up. I have always been a Tamiya arcrylic user but I'm trying to improve the detail of panel lines- have been wanting to use the Tamiya enamel panel liner but was wondering if you had any tips as to how to protect the arcrylic layers below? Most panel lines don't hold enough of them for this to be a problem but it's always best to do 2 thin coats than 1 large. I'd hate to do all that work and then have it wrecked. Ross Martinek That means not less than 24 hours at 68° F, preferably 36 to 48 hours. Tamiya spray paints are not affected by acrylic or enamel paints. I have had my best luck with Tamiya acrylics, thinned with water. I totally agree Don.....So i will edit my post by saying that i use Vallejo, Tamiya and Model Master acrylic paints exclusively. The enamel thinner is too hot and will eat through almost anything. Consider every kit you've ruined to be one more mistake you won't make again and soon you will be mistake free (a man can dream). Sorry you ran into this on your pride and joy. I have Iso alcohol, or water, and I can get the very small bottles of Tamiya thinner. Disclaimer: I use Mr. Color Thinner, rather than Tamiya's lacquer thinner, but they're essentially the same stuff. For best results allow up to one week. No problem here since I'm going back and dry brushing to pop the shadows intended by the panel liner. Curing time depends primarily on temperature. Various details were picked out with some light drybrushing and detail painting with Vallejo âGlossy Blackyâ, Tamiya XF-7 Red, Floquil Old Silver, and Model Master Chrome Silver topped with Tamiya Clear Red to represent indicator lights. The solvents in the Tamiya will not affect the underlaying paint through the acrylic barrier coat. How about liquid mask products on an acrylic surface? Stay tuned. âAdequateâ is a âhow long is a piece of stringâ question, and will vary on temperature, humidity, the type of paint, and how thick you put it on. I thought that it was easier to put on a glossy coat. A lot of the newer enamel washes and effects are designed for adding dirt and grime, they will collect in recesses and start chewing away at it if you over apply. I use the Tamiya sponges dry as there so little material being removed. Works great for both sludge washes and pin washes. 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